American Airlines
LGA to West Palm Beach
March 27, 2008
Flight #1229 8:25AM
Last week I had the misfortune to be on your flight from JFK to WPB. I was seated in seat 23B right behind two men (row 22 seat A & B) that also boarded in NY. They were part of a group of about 8 men travelling to WPB. Just as we were seated they started shouting to each other and to their friends that were throughout the plane. Before the steward named “M” could get the cart down the aisle for drinks they demanded beers. Before their turn, as the cart started in the beginning rows, M gave them two beers each. By the time the cart came to our rows they were asking for two more beers and also bottles of alcohol. M gave them two bottles of liquor each. They paid $25 for their drinks. Unfortunately they were shouting to each other and kept lowering their backs of their seats and frequently getting up and down to either go to the bathroom or to visit one of their friends; each time they walked down the aisle they had drinks in hand.
Next when I saw M give them 4 extra bottles and not charge them, I asked M when did he think “enough was enough” as it was nine o’clock in the morning. He answered it was none of my business and to keep my nose out of it. The other steward, a woman named “D,” sneered at me and passed me without asking me for a drink (of water) and when I did ask and told her she had missed me she told me that I was too busy minding other people’s business. I went without a drink the whole flight. I estimate they had 4 beers and 6 drinks each. The two men kept opening the overhead compartments and I worried something would fall on my head. By this time they had passed out and for an hour we had silence. When we landed their phones were on before the appointed time and they could hardly walk off the plane as they were still so drunk.
When I left I noted what went on to the pilot but he did not seem at all interested in what I thought was a big problem and was totally caused and encouraged by your flight attendants.
And the end of this story is that these guys were planning on renting a car at the airport. Unless the rental car agent was astute to how drunk they were, they probably got a car and drove off drunk. And American Airlines, if they killed someone, you are responsible. I do not know if the state of Florida has the same laws as New York but you would be as guilty as the killers.
There was absolutely no reason to keep feeding these guys alcohol and not think about your passengers around them who just wanted to read their newspapers for the short flight.
I intend to send the local newspapers in Florida, travel blogs and the FCC of your policy of really promoting alcohol consumption with no stop. Leaving up to M’s judgment is a horrible mistake on your part.
I would really like those flight attendants cited for their disregard for safety and common decency to the other passengers and an apology from them.
Signed, V Ross
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American was, is, and always will be the airline from hell. I travel every week and have more bad experiences the 3-4 times a year I am forced to fly American than all others combined.
If I have to fly them, at least I know it will be bad week and NOT to make weekend plans.
More hours to get me home than it would take to drive. Drive=14 hours.
Involuntary bump due to humidity.
Sure we will pay for your rental car.
Refuse to pay the charges American express and American Airlines are siamese twins
You state "…and have more bad experiences the 3-4 times a year I am forced to fly American…"
You're not forced to fly a certain airline any more than any one else!
whoever wrote this is a selfish person. why cant you just let someone have fun once in a while? they were on a plane thousands of miles above ground! so what if they hollered. and so what if they did get drunk. that is there business. if you would have just ignored them it wouldnt have been so bad. you just like stopping people from doing something you dont want them to do. if they were your responsibility then you could say something. but they werent so stay out of it. i hope everytime you get on a plane that the people in front of you get so drunk they throw up on your face. and laugh about it. and that was from the heart!!
Thank you Popeye. I could not agree more. Clearly this is a person who needs a life. You are not the airplane police so sit in your seat, mind your business, and give the rest of us a break.
Nice job on the threats too… such a joke. Going to the FCC with your complaint? Are you for real? Get a grip Norma Rae. You sound like a dramatic fool.
Time to double up on the scripts, chase them with a scotch, and give us all a break. Go find some kids to chase off lawns – the adults around you are not impressed with your ranting.
I agree. Now, if these guys were bothering everyone on the plane or were threatening people or being verbally abusive I can see getting upset. Sounds like a bunch of friends going on vacation and getting a head start. It was admitted that it was a short flight so big deal. He seems to harp more on their excessive drinking and going to the bathroom. It was not even a redeye flight. Lossen the sphincter pal.
You should always travel with a portable CD, DVD, or MP3 player. Add to that, a travel pillow, ear plugs, a good book, and something to cover yourself with if the plane is chilly.
At 35,000 ft. it's truly best to just overlook behavior that is bugging you. No one needs a confrontation under those circumstances.
Good grief, idiots! This person is right on- last time I checked you weren't allowed to even get on a plane if you were visibly inebriated! These flight attendants were irresponsible AND rude.
Completely agree. I know of flights that have landed before time to take off drunken passengers for safety reasons!
POPEYE, you are an idiot.
if your idea of fun is getting drunk in a confined space that you are sharing with alot of people and causing discomfort, you must be an idiot, or at least inconsiderate to other people.
also, it is illegal in most states to keep serving alcohol when the persons are obviously drunk past their own good. they are liable if something had would happen.
now, if these guys drove and ran into your house or your family.. now that would be funny.
damn idiot.
March? NYC to West Palm Beach?
These guys were clearly going on Spring Break. Give the kids some leeway I bet you were the same or worse back in your day.
Aren't you glad you weren't disembowled by their drunk driving????????
The folks on here who think the behavior of these asses is ok are obviously of the same low caliber. The thing about being on a plane and behaving drunkenly and rudely is that the people you're flying with HAVE to put up with you. They can't just leave. That's where the whole idea of not being a selfish jerk and having some manners comes into play. I can bet there were more complaints than the author's. Grow up boys.
The point that everyone is missing here is that if there was an emergency upon landing and the aircraft had to be evacuated, these drunk idiots probably would be blocking the aisles and endangering everyone between them and the exits.
They were probably tipping the airline attendats pretty well. I remember when I travelled to Spain, I inadvertly tipped the stewardess like 20.00. She was very attentive after that. But seriously, I always try to tip well on an airplane, try it sometime, you will like the results!
The other course of action is to inform the FAA of the wanton disregard of rules by the airline's staff. Drunkeness in the air is always potentially more dangerous than on the ground.
The first three respondents would also be passengers from hell!
No booze on PLANES, end of 90% of problems.
Mind your own business for Gods sake you busy body lonely spinster.
Just do everyone a big favor and don't impose your lame morality on the rest of us.
You really need to mind your own business. These people were not troubling you or anyone else. Perhaps you can think of chartering your own plane for your next flight if other people upset you.
@ Matthew, apparently Jim Duffy is also a passenger from hell…and an ass.
Did you inconsiderate slobs even READ that person's story? Obviously people WERE being bothered and inconvenienced! And the flight attendants behavior was totally inexcusable!! V Ross was a PAYING customer and had every right to expect to be treated with respect and to have a comfortable flight! Peoples manners these days are horrible! It's a "me first" society and how sad for us.
American Airlines sucks!!! End of story. Whether or not it was your business to be concerned is irrelevant. Obviously you were and you voiced it. I cannot believe the reaction of the flight attendants. That is truly what makes my blood boil and I absolutely believe you after what I have experienced on American. I have a story here that I will write one of these days, literally topping every story on this site and 100% true, regarding an American flight attendant I encountered. I hope you report this far and wide.
V Ross, you seem a bit anal retentive and uptight.
Oh really? Going to the bathroom is slovenly? God forbid they "open up the overhead compartments". Yeah, that's such a terrible thing on a plane. Only drunk people must do that.
It sounds like you had a problem with them drinking, period. Then you attributed everything afterwards to their "drunk" behavior, such as going to the restroom, opening their luggage, and talking to their friends. NONE of that is "drunk" behavior. You're just a teetotaler, and want to get us to commiserate with your views. No thanks. I hope those guys had an enjoyable flight, and an enjoyable vacation. In fact, it sounds like you were the only person on that plane who was bothered by them.
Enjoy your minority of 1, and next time do us all a favor, and drive.
You have to take this story with a grain of salt and realize there is some exaggeration going on here. Ten drinks a piece? Riiiiight. If they were bothering the whole plane something would have been done. For both flight attendants AND the pilot to summarily dismiss her complaints says a lot about the inflexible character of V Ross's personality. She was probably complaining constantly before and during the flight to the point of annoying the crew. Anyone who demands to complain directly to the pilot should be banned from air travel forever.
Wow, I can't believe so many people are condoning the behaviour of these oxygen thieves!
I seriously hope you reported the flight attendants, I cannot believe how rude they were to you!
Gay. I like getting drunk on flights and letting all the big black male passengers grope me on long flights!
Popeye and the rest who agree with him or her…you all obviously don't care for your lives when you're on an airplane. It just takes some common sense, with all due respect, you all lack common sense. The writer wasn't saying they SHOULD NOT EVER DRINK…the writer questioned how much these people should be drinking on the flight. I'm sure it would have bothered you if any of these drinkers had vomited during the flight but you're reasoning would have been that they were having fun so it was "okay"…WOW.
This is an outrage!!! How in America are people being allowed to make their own decisions about how to pass their time during a flight! I WANT ANSWERS!
Oh, wait. That's exactly what they're allowed to do.
It's obvious that the posters that think V Ross should mind his/her own business aren't frequent airline passengers, aren't educated enough to have a job that requires one to fly alot or they're under the age of 30. If these flight attendants were that rude, they should be reprimanded if not terminated. And if the pilot didn't think they were wrong, he's probably one that 'has a few' before he flies too. He should lose his wings and get knocked back to assistant or something.
"I intend to send the local newspapers in Florida, travel blogs and the FCC of your policy of really promoting alcohol consumption with no stop. Leaving up to M's judgment is a horrible mistake on your part."
The FCC? Really? I missed the part about where these guys set up a pirate radio station.
Clearly they were starting spring break the right way…..v ross, you suck
This story cannot possibly be true. It is extremely difficult for me to get an AA FA to serve me 2 drinks on a 3 hour flight. For these guys to get 8 beers and 12 drinks, the FAs must have been running down the aisles with the drink cart, filling ice cups with great efficiency. In addition, it is customary for FAs to not use a cart at all on a morning flight, but instead, to hold a tray with pre-poured juice and coffee. What makes your story most unlikely, however, is that according to Flightstats.com, AA flight #1229 flew from Raleigh to Dallas to San Jose on March 27, 2009. In fact, AA does not even offer direct flights from LGA to PBI.
busted you lying c***
@Pablo
You dumbass, read a little closer next time. This was 2008. I checked flightstats too, and this is the correct flight.
http://www.flightstats.com/go/Fl…-03-27&x=26& y=5
You need to lighten up. These kids had a good time and you were sitting there in your seat brooding. Seriously, why do you really care?
The dude made this story up. They probably had 2 beers each total. No way they had six beers and four drinks, especially on a short flight. It's just another whiner exaggerating to make everyone stop having fun.
Quoting V Ross—
"American Airlines
LGA to West Palm Beach
March 27, 2008
Flight #1229 8:25AM
Last week I had the misfortune to be on your flight from JFK to WPB."(/quote)
I am (drunkenly) trying to figure out the logistics of how you boarded a flight from JFK at LGA.
So weird, I'm bored and check my facebook and end up here and see a story of some guys being jackasses on a plane…..well I was one of those jackasses….No one complained to us or about us and we got along great with everyone onboard….I think we were just excited to be going on Spring Break….I do vaguely remember this guy….I think I saw him blowing a dude in the bathroom
The attendant who told you to mind your own business was right…
United Flights from Salt Lake to JFK are the same. They will not give you extra water. You get the standard 4 ounce bottle and when you ask for another they say rude comments to you like "you're a thirsty bunch here". I have chronic UTI infections and one 4 ounce bottle of water in a 6 hour period is not enough. I complained to the airline and even asked to bring my own pack of water, but they won't allow that! I have not flown on United since then. I got to NYC and had a bad UTI infection. It ruined my trip. United Airlines didn't care.
To the rude party men. You are the type of people that make flying unbearable!
I feel sorry for the guy that put up with this party plane atmosphere. Find another airline. No one thinks you're cool drinking so much and so early. Spring Break or not. Maybe AA has a flight coming up soon for you party boys?
Why don't you charter your own private party plane next time?
Someone doesn't need to "get a life" just because they don't want to put up with someone else's ignorance! You should learn to get a life that includes thinking of others. Not everyone wants to put up with rude obnoxious people like you are condoning.
Being 20 is so fucking awesome and you old fucks who are now unemployed or about to get fired miss the good old days…..and yes we are cool….we are soooooooooo fucking cool because we have an excuse for being jackasses…..you dont and it upsets you…….good…..fuck off and die already…..im gonna drink 38 more beers in one hour (true story) and then s*** on your face
and unfortunately, we couldnt afford to charter the party plane….chris brown had rented it out so he could have his own private birthday "bash"
Hopefully "we" won't "fuck off and die" when we are on the plane that crashes with you on it.
and you want me to think of others?…..it seems like you do enough thinking of others for both of us….but in all honesty i was thinking about others….those others just didnt happen to be the bitter angry fucks on the plane, but the beautiful chicks with excellent breasts waiting in West Palm to be plowed by yours truly
I cant die….I was supposed to die in plane crash already, but thanks to sully, im still here
Maybe the 20 something rude thoughtless co-passengers will be on the next flight to hell.
If you were on Sully's plane, he would have just crashed it to save the other 125 people the agony of listening to you boast how great you are. Drinking in the morning?? maybe it should have been an AA flight, meaning ALCHOHOLICS ANNONYMOUS!!
Or was it that you had to drink to make yourselves feel pretty? hahahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
If you have to go all the way down to West Palm to HOPE that some stupid drunk gal shows you her breats, then what a loser you are. All the gals back home are probably celebrating your small dick, big ego being gone!!
Only the ones I raped
Wow, just reading the comments one of the admitted passengers wrote, I can definately see why you were annoyed with them.
Most 20 year olds I know are not so rude and obnoxious.
I feel sorry for you Mr Ross and anyone that condones such behavior of selfish pigs.
Im actually V Ross making all this up to get more people on my side…or maybe I'm a 55 year old creep who lives in upper west side….or maybe im just bored and seeing how many people I can anger by making up this crock of shit….so far it's working…..
Really dude, you think you are funny talkin all that crap?Sayin you raped someone?You seriously need to seek help.It was a plane trip and you are rude, just face it.I wonder what your homies think of you.they must need to get drunk to tolerate you.that's why you were so drunk so early.
this sight really is awesome, and so is beethoven
sounds like a poor white trash boy that can't get a date, so he takes it out on everyone around him.
i dont have homies…..actually i dont have friends who use the word "homies" or any variation of it……its completely beneath me…..
acutally im poor mexican trash….
I doubt you have friends to mention any word to you. You probably think you're cool. what a freakin joke you are. You should just jump off a bridge and save everyone the misery of being around you or next to you on your next drunk frat boy wanna be flight
Wow, what did I miss. I read the article and now all this. Maybe ross should get a passenger manafest and turn in the little rapist pig!!!!!!
Max, even Manson had friends, so I'm guessing your ability to assess any kind of situation is sub-par….and I have jumped off a bridge…actually a few….quite a few times….it's fun…you should try it, but make sure there's water…wouldn't want to be eating through a straw the rest of your life
I'd like to thank all of you for participating (whether you wanted to or not) in part of my research for my thesis, you'll get no more rude and angering comments from me, but realize that open forums exist all over the internet and most people believe what they read…so please think before taking the time to address someone/anyone who is saying any of the things i wrote….that's all they want.
Strange to say the very least. Research thesis?? Yeah, right and we're suppose to believe that. Good one.
Yeah, what great friends Manson had. They are so close even to this date, literally.
if the attendant really did deny you water, that alone is a valid complaint to be filed.
V Ross. This story about that much drinking is exaggerated. Your just a tired fucking asso who hates people who you perceive as having fun. I'm sure you were just as fucked when you were younger, a persistant little tick, who watched life pass by.
I'm pushing 50 and would prefer that people understand the concept of politeness but with younger people it is not something that comes naturally especially if they are excited and with their buddies. I would have ignored the behaviour as best I could and certainly wouldn't get agitated to the point of wanting to write uninterested parties. If all the men were too drunk to drive the rental company would not rent to them. If the FA's felt the men were behaving inappropriately, security would have been there in a heartbeat. Just because you are without good humor, don't deny others.
My boyfriend is black, and he talks during the in flight movies loudly.
Leeway or not these guys were out of line.
Out of line or not…you need something better to do with your time.
Stop being such a pussy and live a little.
I'm here for the gangbang
(quote) Being 20 is so fucking awesome and you old fucks who are now unemployed or about to get fired miss the good old days…..and yes we are cool….we are soooooooooo fucking cool because we have an excuse for being jackasses…..you dont and it upsets you…….good…..fuck off and die already…..im gonna drink 38 more beers in one hour (true story) and then s*** on your face
Yes | 04.02.09 – 5:38 pm | # (/unquote)
You're going to drink 38 beers in one hour? Good, because that would be a fatal dose of alcohol, genius. You just made the gene pool a little cleaner.
You may think it's coolo drink like an alcoholic at 20, but all that will do is get you dead or in prison by the time you are 30. Have "fun."
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Cannot find any non-stop flights from NYC to West Palm Beach on any airlines.
Who is lying here????
It's clear by reading the comments who the young kids or alcoholics are. They will never understand the need for respect in a confined space. It's one thing if the guys weren't bothering everyone but if they were constantly getting up and yelling across the plane, I am sure more than just the author of the post was bothered. Yes, we all need to have fun once in a while, but when someone you love is killed because an irresponsible flight attendant, bartender, whomever keeps serving alcohol to someone with an abuse problem, you'll never look at this type of situation the same. Grow up, be responsible. It's really not that hard.
I fly overseas every 5 weeks. While I seriously doubt they had as much to drink as this person says but obviously they were drunk and out of control, and airline policy of cutting people off is there for a reason. Somehow though (especially on long-haul flights) people still manage to get drunk and obnoxious and keep drinking, and when that happens and they push me too far, I don't bother with the flight attendants. I have (and still do) carry a bottle of Antabuse. A few drops in Douchebag's drink when he's not looking and he spends the rest of the flight hurling his guts into the pretty blue water. Problem solved.
What bothers me about this was the FAs rudeness. US airlines are suffering because FAs all have a chip on their shoulders since 9/11 and completely disregard hospitality while the Asian airlines emphasize it. It's why I try very hard not to fly U.S. airlines anymore.
Jim Duffy, I love how you assume "V Ross" is a woman. Asshat.
Also, 10 drinks each? I don't see how that's even remotely ok, especially when (as a previous commenter mentioned) anyone who obviously inebriated is typically not even allowed to board a flight.
What a douche bag. Get a life doof!
Yes, Mind your own business!!!!
Really, the FCC? Not like they can do anything about drunks on a flight. Ohhh, I guess you mean to complain to them about the cell phone being left on. Still wrong agency. The FAA is the agency which sets rules about cell phones on aircraft. Still, not much they are gonna do once so much time has passed, and you don't even know who the guy with the cell phone was. My advice is to kick back with a few jack & cokes & forget about this incident.
This story sounds bogus.. I can't believe the stewardess refused you water and talked to you that way..
Why do I keep thinking of that scene in the movie "Airplane?" The one where the guy takes a snort from his hip flask & offers a drink to the disapproving lady across the aisle, who says "Certainly not!" then does a couple of lines of coke.
Anonymous,
First to post…….last to engage brain, discussion not centered on Amer Airlines to begin with; AND, you came out FOR and AGAINST drunks behavior….. contradicting yourself yet again. You're a total idiot, shut the fuck UP!
To all the folks who thought the writer was selfish and self-centered why don't you put the shoe on the other foot and imagine yourselves as the one who had to deal with this shit.
You guys are idiots.
Honestly.
All the young pups talking about how they are 'just having fun,' and the older folk need to 'lighten up.'
You guys are a bunch of ignorant brats who don't yet fully perceive the quality of respect.
Wow.
If you want to party, go to a friend's place or go to a bar.
If you want to see guys get plastered, see above.
Passengers shouldn't have to put up with it. One or two drinks with a meal is not the same as being plied with alcohol. Nor is it appropriate for FAs to get someone drunk, especially if they're under age.
Hey, I don't care what kids do if they do it themselves. Steal from Daddy's liquor cabinet and party on, if that's what you want to do. But the airline shouldn't be assisting you – it's illegal. Not to mention the fact… if they ran over a 3yo child while drunk, will the FAs still smirk and be rude about it?
Sounds terribly irresponsable of the airline staff. At a great altitude the effects of alcohol are exarcebated, so a smaller quantity has a greater effect. I've been reading stories of people clearly inebriated being allwoed on board – how is that even legal? It's obvious that if there is any sort of emergency the drunk people are at a disadvantage. So are those who take sleeping drugs, sure, but at least those won't be putting other passengers into more risk. Gods, what idiots.
V Ross, I think you are 100% right in being irritated by these clowns. If it had been me, and the dudes were that sloshed, I'd have stuck my foot out in the aisle when one of them went galloping down to visit their buddies. LOL.
TravMD, when you are spiking a person's drink without their knowledge, you are committing a felony. Doctors who are convicted of felonies have a hard time (ie impossible) getting work as a doctor, as no board will allow them to be certified to practice medicine.
If you kill the poor drunk with your disulfram donation, then obviously you won't be prescribing anyone anything for a long time, in fact about as long as "Butch" makes you his bitch.
Your post is the funniest bit of medical bullshit I have read in a long time, are you a nurse???
OMG come on yes they drank and they seem to have only annoyed one person the whole flight.
Stop micro-managing folks. Damn
It was one of the spring break “go on vacation, leave on probation” trips. Hey, no one got hurt and outside of loud talking, no other issues. I’ve sat near cold sober business wanna-bes that are 20 times more annoying (and louder) than the party brigade you’re talking about.
You get drunk in a bar, at a party, with an ex-girlfriend prior to making another "mistake," or at a conference for work. Not on an airplane. Mind you, I have been drunk on a plane plenty of times, but only those flying with me knew it. Being loud and obnoxious is perfectly fine in all sorts of situations, just not on a plane, it's that simple.
It all depends on how annoying these guys were really being. Were they being friendly? Or obnoxious? If other passengers were having fun with these guys, then the OP may have just been a little up-tight. Again though, you should cater your attitude on a flight to the lowest common denominator. If being loud, even in a friendly fun manner, annoys someone, then lower your volume. You're not being a "fun guy" if you're annoying someone.
I agree. But then, I think that the people who laugh out loud at the sitcoms they show on flights should be castrated with dull fishing knives. For being morons if nothing else.
FUCCKCKKK YOUUUU!!!!
There are other places to get drunk, such as bars, pubs, clubs, discos, even your own home. A plane certainly doesnt belong to them ( also no other public transport systems).
You could just ignore the drunks, if they paid for a gallon of booze that’s their problem. At least they didn’t soil your surroundings (or you, for that matter). Now, THAT would be the flight from hell! Plus, they would have to deal with the plane hangover afterwards, be happy with that. The stewardess, on the other hand, was just plain rude, and you were right to be mad at her. If it’s her obligation to catter to “everyone else’s businesses”, she should have attended you equally, without sneering. At the end you payed for her service too. I rest my case.