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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://www.flightsfromhell.com/2009/12/make-the-airlines-pay-for-property-destruction/#comment-31165</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The easiest way for American flights to be made safer would be for America to stop bombing the shit out of other countries.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The easiest way for American flights to be made safer would be for America to stop bombing the shit out of other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Corazon</title>
		<link>http://www.flightsfromhell.com/2009/12/make-the-airlines-pay-for-property-destruction/#comment-12001</link>
		<dc:creator>Corazon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, but it is the fault of the U.S. themselfes if they did not care about the security before 9/11. And to be honest they have become insane ever since. &quot;It could be Osamas cousin sitting next to you&quot; lol Those comments just make me laugh! 
I have never been to the U.S. and to be honest I am not going to as I think everyone deserves the right to use wich ever security locks they want on their suit cases. Me personally, I use the locks with the codes as well. And whoever send this story, I agree with you and I would have done the same!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, but it is the fault of the U.S. themselfes if they did not care about the security before 9/11. And to be honest they have become insane ever since. &quot;It could be Osamas cousin sitting next to you&quot; lol Those comments just make me laugh!</p>
<p>I have never been to the U.S. and to be honest I am not going to as I think everyone deserves the right to use wich ever security locks they want on their suit cases. Me personally, I use the locks with the codes as well. And whoever send this story, I agree with you and I would have done the same!!</p>
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		<title>By: Increasedosologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Increasedosologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure how many people know about it, but lost/damaged luggage counters of the major airlines in the US have a storage room nearby, where they have a good selection of brand new, good quality luggage kept there specifically for the purpose of replacing damaged luggage.  It takes very little convincing to get them to take you to that storage room and let you pick a replacement luggage, since that&#039;s what it is there for in the first place.  You have to turn in your broken luggage and there is some paperwork, but you don&#039;t have to do that. The agent takes care of it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure how many people know about it, but lost/damaged luggage counters of the major airlines in the US have a storage room nearby, where they have a good selection of brand new, good quality luggage kept there specifically for the purpose of replacing damaged luggage.  It takes very little convincing to get them to take you to that storage room and let you pick a replacement luggage, since that&#039;s what it is there for in the first place.  You have to turn in your broken luggage and there is some paperwork, but you don&#039;t have to do that. The agent takes care of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Demotage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demotage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anya, 
 
It is certainly possible that the European airlines simply practice a higher level of customer service.  With the notable exception of Ryan Air, I have found that to be true on intra-European flights.  The service is just better than on US domestic flights.  I&#039;m just saying that I don&#039;t think they are required to do it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anya,</p>
<p>It is certainly possible that the European airlines simply practice a higher level of customer service.  With the notable exception of Ryan Air, I have found that to be true on intra-European flights.  The service is just better than on US domestic flights.  I&#039;m just saying that I don&#039;t think they are required to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demotage: I do not know the TSA rules, as they are not important to me (have never flown outside of europe). However I do know of cases where luggage was damaged during security inspections, and the airlines paid for that damage. Whether or not the airline then filed for some compensation from security forces I have no idea, but they paid it for the costumer. 
 
Of course, there&#039;s usually a labyrinth of paper-work and dead ends to go through for normal damage, I do not have details into how these situations worked themselves out. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demotage: I do not know the TSA rules, as they are not important to me (have never flown outside of europe). However I do know of cases where luggage was damaged during security inspections, and the airlines paid for that damage. Whether or not the airline then filed for some compensation from security forces I have no idea, but they paid it for the costumer.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#039;s usually a labyrinth of paper-work and dead ends to go through for normal damage, I do not have details into how these situations worked themselves out.</p>
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		<title>By: Demotage</title>
		<link>http://www.flightsfromhell.com/2009/12/make-the-airlines-pay-for-property-destruction/#comment-7279</link>
		<dc:creator>Demotage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anya, 
 
These things are actually covered by international convention.  US carriers are also responsible for the bags while in their possession.  However, there are always limits and gray areas.  For instance, was the bag in the airline&#039;s possession when the damage was done?  The lock was apparently broken by the TSA in accordance with their policy.  That policy is publically available, and I think most everyone knows you either need a TSA approved lock, or to leave you bag unlocked. 
 
Airlines also generally have policies for how much damage they will cover - these maximums are also set my international convention.  The gray area is that they don&#039;t have to cover damage that is considered &quot;normal wear and tear&quot;.  In my experience, normal wear and tear includes having two wheels busted off and an entire corner of a hard suitcase caved in 8 inches.  They told me &quot;luggage is meant to protect the contents&quot;, which incidentally, they wouldn&#039;t cover if it didn&#039;t. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anya,</p>
<p>These things are actually covered by international convention.  US carriers are also responsible for the bags while in their possession.  However, there are always limits and gray areas.  For instance, was the bag in the airline&#039;s possession when the damage was done?  The lock was apparently broken by the TSA in accordance with their policy.  That policy is publically available, and I think most everyone knows you either need a TSA approved lock, or to leave you bag unlocked.</p>
<p>Airlines also generally have policies for how much damage they will cover &#8211; these maximums are also set my international convention.  The gray area is that they don&#039;t have to cover damage that is considered &quot;normal wear and tear&quot;.  In my experience, normal wear and tear includes having two wheels busted off and an entire corner of a hard suitcase caved in 8 inches.  They told me &quot;luggage is meant to protect the contents&quot;, which incidentally, they wouldn&#039;t cover if it didn&#039;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, I understand how you may see it that way, but security (as tedious and unnecessary as it may seem) has likely done a lot to make airlines safer. Airport security is not just a system to find explosives and firearms, but it is a deterrent. You wouldn&#039;t consume cyanide if you knew it would kill you. This is the same principle. Terrorists may not commit acts of terror if they know there is a system in place that will catch them. If they get caught and put away, there is one less opportunity for something in their favor to be done. 
 
And, addressing your &quot;blow up an airplane with 4oz of toothpaste&quot; comment, it&#039;s not the explosion of small magnitude to be worried about. The worrying thing about 4oz of material being ignited is the fire it can cause. And don&#039;t pull the &quot;there are fire extinguishers on board&quot; thing. It doesn&#039;t matter. Would you rather have an average flight to your destination, or a panic-stricken, slightly more crispy flight to your destination? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, I understand how you may see it that way, but security (as tedious and unnecessary as it may seem) has likely done a lot to make airlines safer. Airport security is not just a system to find explosives and firearms, but it is a deterrent. You wouldn&#039;t consume cyanide if you knew it would kill you. This is the same principle. Terrorists may not commit acts of terror if they know there is a system in place that will catch them. If they get caught and put away, there is one less opportunity for something in their favor to be done.</p>
<p>And, addressing your &quot;blow up an airplane with 4oz of toothpaste&quot; comment, it&#039;s not the explosion of small magnitude to be worried about. The worrying thing about 4oz of material being ignited is the fire it can cause. And don&#039;t pull the &quot;there are fire extinguishers on board&quot; thing. It doesn&#039;t matter. Would you rather have an average flight to your destination, or a panic-stricken, slightly more crispy flight to your destination?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron - St. Louis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron - St. Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the poster.  These rules have done nothing to make airlines safer, it is just window dressing to make passenger&#039;s feel safer.  When was the last time anyone heard of someone stopping a person with a bomb or a gun that intended to use it. If someone can blow up an airplane with 4 oz of toothpaste, I think a little more convenience and a tad more risk is warranted to keep us flying.  We are at the point that we went from &quot;flying anywhere that takes 4 hours to drive&quot; to &quot;only flying if it will take more than 12 hours to get there&quot; and even then we will still consider driving if the weather is good. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the poster.  These rules have done nothing to make airlines safer, it is just window dressing to make passenger&#039;s feel safer.  When was the last time anyone heard of someone stopping a person with a bomb or a gun that intended to use it. If someone can blow up an airplane with 4 oz of toothpaste, I think a little more convenience and a tad more risk is warranted to keep us flying.  We are at the point that we went from &quot;flying anywhere that takes 4 hours to drive&quot; to &quot;only flying if it will take more than 12 hours to get there&quot; and even then we will still consider driving if the weather is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Anya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t believe that in a country so well known internationally for its lawsuits, no one was able to contest this. Well done the OP for getting Luthansa to pay for the bags, as at least the last time I flew airlines ARE responsable for ANY AND ALL damage suffered while the baggage is in their care. If the americans don&#039;t have that rule, be glad you booked with an european carrier. ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#039;t believe that in a country so well known internationally for its lawsuits, no one was able to contest this. Well done the OP for getting Luthansa to pay for the bags, as at least the last time I flew airlines ARE responsable for ANY AND ALL damage suffered while the baggage is in their care. If the americans don&#039;t have that rule, be glad you booked with an european carrier. <img src='http://www.flightsfromhell.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, maybe you should have been better prepared and studied up a little.  I don&#039;t know how many times I have seen articles, and news stories on this very subject....how could you not know?  Are you mentally challenged? 
 
And, do you really expect security to hunt one specific person down to ask them a question about their luggage?  Then Do you think they should hold the plane for you, while security looks at your luggage?  What about delaying the plane, and the many other passengers which will miss connections, etc...  oh, but that&#039;s all right...because the world revolves around you, and your uninformed self.   
 
And really, we are supposed to believe that you threatened to sue the airline, and all was made good.   I wonder how many times a day the airline hears that line from some self-centered blow-hard like you.  The ticket agent/gate agent people really probably couldn&#039;t care less....they would say....go ahead, sue us..... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe you should have been better prepared and studied up a little.  I don&#039;t know how many times I have seen articles, and news stories on this very subject&#8230;.how could you not know?  Are you mentally challenged?</p>
<p>And, do you really expect security to hunt one specific person down to ask them a question about their luggage?  Then Do you think they should hold the plane for you, while security looks at your luggage?  What about delaying the plane, and the many other passengers which will miss connections, etc&#8230;  oh, but that&#039;s all right&#8230;because the world revolves around you, and your uninformed self.  </p>
<p>And really, we are supposed to believe that you threatened to sue the airline, and all was made good.   I wonder how many times a day the airline hears that line from some self-centered blow-hard like you.  The ticket agent/gate agent people really probably couldn&#039;t care less&#8230;.they would say&#8230;.go ahead, sue us&#8230;..</p>
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